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| jump_chump |
Posted: Nov 15 '08, 1:44 pm |
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Hit counts updated for 11-14-2008
Hit counts have been updated as of 1:30pm Pacific time.
damon
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Nov 15 '08, 4:46 pm |
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Reviews written: 1873 Member since: Aug 25 '02
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RE: Hit counts updated for 11-14-2008
Quote: jump_chump Hit counts have been updated as of 1:30pm Pacific time.
damon
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Mine are showing.
pops
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| talyseon |
Posted: Nov 15 '08, 7:44 pm |
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Reviews written: 494 Member since: Jan 17 '08
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: millinocket That's actually part of the problem, Phil. That review should have *at least* 300 outside hits - it's brand new in theaters. Those very few reviews that happen to pick up any substantial hits (usually Movies in Theaters, which is a category outside of the SDC database and thus outside of the media migration) are masking the larger issue of 95% of movie reviews picking up a tiny fraction of what they should be seeing.
20-30 outside hits on a movie with any sort of box office is a very low number. The movies I see (the ones nobody has ever heard of or wants to see.....;) should be picking up more than that over the course of a year, but they aren't. I have a lot of 2008 reviews with single digit outside hits and I'm not alone.
I honestly don't think search engine placement/lack of readers can explain the exponential drop in movie hits.
Sue
Please, powers that be, listen to the nice, erhm, savvy Movie Lead. Many of us have noticed this problem. We have waited patiently, and nothing is happening. Something has changed. It is hurting us. Are you looking into it?
Feedback on the boards has risen of late, and we are thankful. However, no one seems to be saying a peep about this issue. Is anyone out there? Or am I just yelling to hear the echo?
Talyseon.
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| millinocket |
Posted: Nov 15 '08, 8:20 pm (Updated: Nov 15 '08, 8:21 pm) |
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: anderclayton From the way that the search engine is supposed to work though the 'poor search engine placement' problem would not necessarily be a cause but more of a symptom (of search engine glitches). In concept the search engine places topics searched for or that people want to see towards the top. There are so many searches that (at least last time I checked) pile up a huge ton of crap that nobody would search for that it seems likely that it isn't working as advertised.
Ander, I don't think it has anything to do with search - or at least the search engine in general. That has definitely been much worse and we've had more outside hits anyway.
John had one outside hit on a brand new movie? Three on Madagascar? That's not poor traffic flow, it's something else.
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| jump_chump |
Posted: Nov 15 '08, 9:49 pm |
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: talyseon Are you looking into it?
I think the two major issues are known to all, and the Epinions team has been forthright with what we're doing about them.
Epinions gets a TON of traffic, and I monitor the previous days' traffic each morning. And I can tell you that Googlebot crawls the site *every* hour of the day, 24-7. In fact, Googlebot's veracity equals regular, human traffic.
Maybe it's Google?
Seriously, I'm not sure what's going on, but I'd certainly look at external factors such as the economy, lost jobs, limited budgets, and general waiting for things to get better.
Maybe I've been listening to the news too much.
damon
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| talyseon |
Posted: Nov 15 '08, 11:28 pm |
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Reviews written: 494 Member since: Jan 17 '08
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: jump_chump
Epinions gets a TON of traffic, and I monitor the previous days' traffic each morning. And I can tell you that Googlebot crawls the site *every* hour of the day, 24-7. In fact, Googlebot's veracity equals regular, human traffic.
Maybe it's Google?
I do not doubt this; but something is going on. My reviews of Burn After Reading, Pride& Glory, and Smallville Season 7 have done almost NOTHING.
My Max Payne is proof that it is not across the board; we are closing in on 700 hits.
However...I just got off Google. I typed in Max Payne Movie Review. I searched every entry; they give up after about 650-800. Not one epinions review mentioned in that space. I did the "Show similar reviews" four times and nothing changed, except we got a larger sampling.
Now, there are six reviews of that movie on the site, but we aren't picking up on it at all.
The exact same thing happened on Quantum of Solace, though there is a lot more stuff to wade through. I advanced searched, typing in more and more key words I knew I had used in my reviews, and not until I used Epinions would it give me a result.
Quote: jump_chump
Seriously, I'm not sure what's going on, but I'd certainly look at external factors such as the economy, lost jobs, limited budgets, and general waiting for things to get better.
damon
Epinions Engineer
I am sure that there are external factors going on. But I am telling you the word "Epinions" is harder to find on the search engines. If you don't use that word, it is hard to find our reviews.
Some things still work; if you have something esoteric, it works like a charm. Go to Google, type in Gay Pirate Book Review, and see what pops up. But that is a DARN thin slice of the market out there.
I have done searches over the past month on Max Payne, Pride and Glory, and Burn After Reading, on Google, Goodsearch, Yahoo, MSN.com, Ask and a few others. And we are not out there. I have looked at the reviews for keyword content, and we are freighted, often times better than other reviews.
And it is getting worse. I used to find my review of Max Payne moderately easily, then with more searching. Now, today, it is invisible.
I am still getting outside hits on it; 18 today. But what they are typing in to find it, I don't know. I know it is more complex than Max Payne Movie Review.
Something is going on. This came on suddenly. In July, it was easy to locate epinions reveiws on the web; I found them all the time, and usually took a peek and rated, if I had time. Things changed by the middle of August.
I wish I had more technical savvy (then I would review in more lucrative fields) and could put my empirical observations into technospeak. I just know something has changed, and it is now frequently pointless to review a new movie.
Talyseon.
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| jump_chump |
Posted: Nov 16 '08, 12:01 am |
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: talyseon I do not doubt this; but something is going on.
Ok, there's definitely stuff I can look into. The other Epi team members have different vantage points than I do, so I'll check in with them, too.
Thanks for digging in and taking the time to reply.
damon
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| talyseon |
Posted: Nov 16 '08, 12:45 am |
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Reviews written: 494 Member since: Jan 17 '08
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RE: HIt Counts
Here is something more to put into the pot. I went to google and typed in the following search "Burn After Reading." Site listing "Epinions.com" and "Talyseon"
I got 7 returns, and none of them was my review. They were pages of cached reviews that included it, and others, but it would not, with that detailed a listing, pull up my review of Burn After Reading.
Now I know that is broken. Is it us or them with the break?
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| talyseon |
Posted: Nov 16 '08, 12:48 am |
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Reviews written: 494 Member since: Jan 17 '08
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: jump_chump Ok, there's definitely stuff I can look into. The other Epi team members have different vantage points than I do, so I'll check in with them, too.
Thanks for digging in and taking the time to reply.
damon
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Chump, I appreciate the work, and the feedback. If you would write even one decent review, I would add you to my Web of Trust. As it is, you are in my Web of Gratitude.
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| gamblin_man |
Posted: Nov 16 '08, 8:08 am |
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Reviews written: 335 Member since: Apr 08 '01
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: talyseon Here is something more to put into the pot. I went to google and typed in the following search "Burn After Reading." Site listing "Epinions.com" and "Talyseon"
I got 7 returns, and none of them was my review. They were pages of cached reviews that included it, and others, but it would not, with that detailed a listing, pull up my review of Burn After Reading.
Now I know that is broken. Is it us or them with the break?
Talyseon.
Here is something you can try on Google. I typed the following exactly as I show it in bold (no need to bold it for Google): "burn after reading" site:epinions.com. Try that and you will get many Epinions reviews on the product. We use that format a lot when we are looking for a product already in the database when someone is asking for a SAP add. Not that it helps much if the general public doesn't search that way, but just thought you might want to know they really are listed on Google.
Larry
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Nov 16 '08, 8:14 am |
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Reviews written: 436 Member since: Feb 24 '01
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: gamblin_man Here is something you can try on Google. I typed the following exactly as I show it in bold (no need to bold it for Google): "burn after reading" site:epinions.com. Try that and you will get many Epinions reviews on the product. We use that format a lot when we are looking for a product already in the database when someone is asking for a SAP add. Not that it helps much if the general public doesn't search that way, but just thought you might want to know they really are listed on Google.
Larry
I did a similar search of another hot title on Google. But just the title alone.
I used firefox browser page search to easily check for 'epinions' anywhere on each page of results.
I gave up after, as I remember, 50 some pages of results after finding zero epinions URLs.
So no, Eps pages were not getting a lot of respect for that particular product search.
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| gamblin_man |
Posted: Nov 16 '08, 8:25 am (Updated: Nov 16 '08, 8:26 am) |
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: sleeper54 I did a similar search of another hot title on Google. But just the title alone.
I used firefox browser page search to easily check for 'epinions' anywhere on each page of results.
I gave up after, as I remember, 50 some pages of results after finding zero epinions URLs.
So no, Eps pages were not getting a lot of respect for that particular product search.
...tom...
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I'm far from an expert on how global search engines decide to order their results. I do find, however, that as far as reviews of things go, that media reviews have so many more places to be put on the WWW that competion is higher from other, more well known, review sites. In things like tools, our reviews come up more frequently early in the list. I assume there is less competition out there.
I did a couple of reviews on both Epinions and another site in the last few months, one in books and another in tools. The other site is listed pages earlier for the book review, but both are on the first page for the tool review. the other site still comes in ahead of the Epinions listing, though.
Larry - making an unscientific observation
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Nov 16 '08, 2:00 pm |
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Reviews written: 436 Member since: Feb 24 '01
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RE: HIt Counts
Quote: gamblin_man --snip--
I do find, however, that as far as reviews of things go, that media reviews have so many more places to be put on the WWW that competion is higher from other, more well known, review sites. In things like tools, our reviews come up more frequently early in the list. I assume there is less competition out there.
--snip--
Larry - making an unscientific observation
Good point.
I guess I would expect the Acme Orbital Elliptical Z-bit Grinder to have fewer reviews/occurrences on the innertubes than might the latest Potter flick...
...tom...
' who like totally made that grinder thing up . . .. '
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| coldsteel7 |
Posted: Nov 22 '08, 12:10 pm |
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Reviews written: 526 Member since: Dec 03 '99
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Hits Off Again
It seems like the hit counts glitch every weekend. Must be something related to the fact that the Epinions Engineers want to rest on the weekend and the gremlins in the system don't want to let them.
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| cmuir |
Posted: Nov 22 '08, 2:24 pm |
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RE: Hits Off Again
Quote: coldsteel7 It seems like the hit counts glitch every weekend. Must be something related to the fact that the Epinions Engineers want to rest on the weekend and the gremlins in the system don't want to let them.
John
Mine didn't update today either, just a usual I would expect them to catch up on Monday. Of course everything could be snowed under and frozen today. LOL
Cindi
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Nov 22 '08, 3:12 pm |
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Reviews written: 1873 Member since: Aug 25 '02
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RE: Hits Off Again
Quote: coldsteel7 It seems like the hit counts glitch every weekend. Must be something related to the fact that the Epinions Engineers want to rest on the weekend and the gremlins in the system don't want to let them.
John
I noticed that this morning and hoped it would have caught up by now.
Looks like we aren't getting our numbers fix today.
pops
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| jump_chump |
Posted: Nov 22 '08, 4:57 pm (Updated: Nov 22 '08, 5:00 pm) |
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RE: Hits Off Again
Yes, hits weren't crunched last night. This is the third Friday in a row that this has occurred. We'll run hits in the next day or so, and also make sure this doesn't happen again.
Edit: I'm not happy with this at all. Just fyi.
damon
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Nov 22 '08, 7:32 pm |
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Reviews written: 1873 Member since: Aug 25 '02
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RE: Hits Off Again
Quote: jump_chump
Edit: I'm not happy with this at all. Just fyi.
damon
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and here we thought you were celebrating every time it happened, or should I say didn't happen.
Damon, we appreciate your efforts, big time.
pops
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| jurgrace |
Posted: Nov 23 '08, 7:52 am (Updated: Nov 23 '08, 7:53 am) |
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RE: Hits Off Again
Damon,
Last night my hits updated for Saturday, but Friday's are still hanging in cyberspace somewhere. I don't know if that helps you identify the problem at all, but thought the extra information would be better than no info.
Grace
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| jump_chump |
Posted: Nov 23 '08, 6:52 pm |
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RE: Hits Off Again
Hi folks,
We'll run the hits for Friday on Monday morning. The hits aren't lost but just waiting on some server to be processed.
I'll reply tomorrow with an update.
damon
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